Rosy
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Post by Rosy on Aug 30, 2008 17:27:19 GMT 1
John, your effort to post the photographs is much appreciated. For me, brings back fond memories of several years ago, when I was able to attend the Salzburg Festival. Sad to see the neglected state of the grave.. One would think the City of Salzburg authorities would be more thoughtful and attentive of the last home of one of their greatest sons.. Hello Leporello!  Thank you very much for your contribution on the incredible topic. John showed us the wonderful site of the Salzburger Festspiele and the sad and unacceptable!!! If you read my posts on this topic, you know that I don't accept the shameful lack of respect for a man who has gives much to Art and Culture, to his beautiful city and to the whole world!! You ask yourself where are the authorities. Even I ask myself this painful question.... _______________________________________ Herbert von karajan is in another place, but we've the right to pray on his last abode and we've a duty to keep it so decent. ******************************************************************** Dear Leporello , Don Giovanni it's my favourite Mozart's Opera! I love the Trilogia mozartiana, but the music full of expectation of Don Giovanni, fascinates me very much. Best Wishes Rosy |
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Post by leporello on Aug 31, 2008 17:10:27 GMT 1
Thanks for the warm welcome Rosy. It's a great pleasure to meet and interact with fellow Music lovers and von Karajan admirers. Perhaps, in time, something can be done about the state of the grave by forum members that live in that part of Austria or even southern Germany...? That would be a meaningful contribution to the memory of this great artist. On a lighter note, Don Giovanni has been my first 'contact' with Mozart's Operas (many years ago), and it has since remained my favourite Mozartean Opera. I dare not call myself 'Don Giovanni' (especially after his terrible fate) so, I adopted the name of the likable Leporello, who survives the torments of hell to tell the story!  By the way, does anyone know if there's any recordings of Herbert von Karajan conducting "Don Giovanni" ? I would love to buy one if it exists. |
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Post by Rosy on Aug 31, 2008 18:12:03 GMT 1
By the way, does anyone know if there's any recordings of Herbert von Karajan conducting "Don Giovanni" ? I would love to buy one if it exists. HI Leporello! Do you like in DVD format? Usually I buy here: www.tinyurl.com/5n397fThe release I suggest is my favourite; Karajan, VPO, Ramey, Tomowa-Sintow, Battle ; Label, Sony Classical. Then, I try other releases, even on other sites. ****************************** Unfortunately, now I cannot away from my home and from my work, otherwise I would be "flown" to Anif to clean his grave by weeds and withered flowers etc....as if he had been one of my family! Regards Rosy |
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Post by Rosy on Aug 31, 2008 20:11:07 GMT 1
Hello again, Leporello! I tried to Amazon.com, Karajan- Mozart- Don Giovanni, and I found: www.tinyurl.com/6pwxkbI hope you'll find what you like! For example, Ramey, Tomowa- Sintow and Ferruccio Furlanetto= "Leporello"! ********************************* Ciao! Rosy |
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Post by prahcello on Sept 1, 2008 17:11:12 GMT 1
John, your effort to post the photographs is much appreciated. For me, brings back fond memories of several years ago, when I was able to attend the Salzburg Festival. Sad to see the neglected state of the grave.. One would think the City of Salzburg authorities would be more thoughtful and attentive of the last home of one of their greatest sons.. Hello Leporello! Thank you very much for your contribution on the incredible topic. John showed us the wonderful site of the Salzburger Festspiele and the sad and unacceptable!!! If you read my posts on this topic, you know that I don't accept the shameful lack of respect for a man who has gives much to Art and Culture, to his beautiful city and to the whole world!! You ask yourself where are the authorities. Even I ask myself this painful question.... _______________________________________ Herbert von karajan is in another place, but we've the right to pray on his last abode and we've a duty to keep it so decent. ******************************************************************** Dear Leporello , Don Giovanni it's my favourite Mozart's Opera! I love the Trilogia mozartiana, but the music full of expectation of Don Giovanni, fascinates me very much. Best Wishes RosyThe thing is, the grave of Karajan IS regularly kept in order. It's just not everyday. I agree that the photos taken in July show the grave in a poorer condition than normal. But when I went in April this year, it looked very well. Also, one other point: The Berlin and Vienna Philharmonic Orchestras lay a wreath every year. I think the Berlin orchestra do it when they perform at the Easter Festival, whereas the Vienna Phil do it at the end of the Summer Festival. So I don't think we need to be too worried about the state of the grave. I do, on the other hand, agree that the Karajan Institut is a farce. But it's not the fault of Eliette von Karajan, but rather the people that work for her and Herbert von Karajan's foundation. Paul |
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Post by Rosy on Sept 1, 2008 19:37:29 GMT 1
Dear Paul, I have always believed and hoped that BPO and VPO raised floral tributes at the their Maestro's grave. My thought is that the withered flowers remain sadly them! There must be someone who takes away and not only those to bring! ************************** About " Eliette und Herbert von karajan Institut", I never thought those who had caused the complete decay. I found that the Maestro's desire is receding with him... Rosy |
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Post by john on Sept 1, 2008 22:08:44 GMT 1
Paul
I understand what you are saying and you are probably correct, however the other 50 or so graves where perfectly kept and in full bloom, somebody must look after them.
I could pay someone £10 every 2 weeks to keep my garden perfect, the Karajan estate has millions, it can't be that difficult.
While I was there visitors from Japan and who knows where arrived, how must they feel?
John
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Post by David on Sept 8, 2008 20:25:00 GMT 1
Many of us, including myself, were greatly concerned by the appearance of the Grave as it appeared on John’s recent photograph. In addition John stated that: “There are 50-70 other graves in the Church gardens and without exception they are wonderfully kept all with colourful flowers etc.” Following on from my recent visit to London for the two BPO Prom Concerts (2nd & 3rd September), I am able to report back with information I obtained on this subject directly from a BPO Musician who joined the Orchestra during Karajan’s time. I had prepared in advance a printout showing my own photograph from April 2003 alongside John’s recent shot (I had already mentioned this to John beforehand). My effort can be seen on Linda’s site in ‘Other Photographs and Miscellaneous’ - www.karajan.co.uk/pics2.html The plan was to hover outside the RAH and then ‘muscle in’, assuming that a suitable opportunity occurred, and hopefully discuss the situation with the aid of the prints. The musician I spoke to was really very interested in what I had to say because he himself had visited the Grave less than a week beforehand; the BPO had arrived in London directly from Salzburg after giving the final concert there at this year’s Festival. I was informed that there is absolutely nothing to worry about because it is the wish of Eliette von Karajan that the Grave should not remain in a static and finely manicured condition, but that it should be a ‘living’ grave that waxes and wanes, thus suggesting a variety of different moods and appearances at different times. I was informed that the ivy on the Cross is in fact now even more developed than it was on John’s recent photograph, but it is possible that this will be removed in the future. Perhaps when I visited the Grave in 2003 the mood was Schubert’s 5th and on John’s recent visit, the opening of the Brahms 1st. I’m sure that you will be able to think of better examples; but in any case I hope that you may have found the information I obtained helpful, although I must admit that I’m not really 100% convinced myself. |
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Post by Rosy on Sept 8, 2008 20:42:23 GMT 1
Dear David, My desire is to see a photo showing a dignified grave! Shortly need to do cleaning; while the weeds and ivy climbimg covering the cross not grow from today until tomorrow! Are you agree, David? No matter if there is flowers, what counts is to say a prayer in a place that would show care and love!____________________________________________________ This, I think, is the desire of us all! David, thank you for your interest and for your information Rosy |
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Post by halcover1 on Sept 9, 2008 14:40:58 GMT 1
Dear all:
Interesting discussion. My first visit to the grave was in 1990, at Easter Festival, with homage to the Maestro. In my pictures the croos is still the wooden one. When I visited in 1991, the
grave was to much nicer with an iron cross in an stone with the name of the Maestro engraved. This year flowers with the band of BPh were there, and the grave looked nice and OK. I'm sure someone is looking after for that.
Another story is the rol of the Eliette and Herbert von Karajan Institute, at the Getreidgedasse, I visited them in April to offer some Karajan things I have and they don't, like
a japanese edition of Karajan biography by Haussermann, and after some words and e-mails
with Barbara Diesler, no more news, may be she left. I'm worried.
halcover1
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Post by prahcello on Sept 9, 2008 17:19:41 GMT 1
I agree with the Philharmoniker musician that one should not be worried about the grave.
It is being kept in a condition that Eliette von Karajan sees fit for her late husband. And the fact is, it's not as if it has been abandoned completely. She is a woman of good taste, and I think her view of how the grave should be kept makes sense to me.
The photo I have of the grave when I visited and the photo that uploaded by John show DIFFERENT plants, which I think is in harmony with Madame Karajan's wish for a 'living' grave. There were different plants planted on the various photos I have seen of the grave.
I don't think we're in a position to judge whether that is dignified or not. I am sure that everyone has their own personal view of how the grave of their loved ones should be, and Eliette von Karajan has her own view, and I do not think that she is, or will ever, let the grave be an ugly one.
Paul
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Post by leporello on Sept 29, 2008 16:07:46 GMT 1
Hi Rosy! Apologies for the very late reply, I have been away on holidays in Tasmania, away from mobile phones and computers, a very relaxing experience, I can assure you!
Thank you for your effort to find for me the Karajan recordings for 'Don Giovanni', I will buy both the DVD format and the CD for the car.
Regarding the state of the grave, I can see ( and understand) the point one participant made about being a matter for the family to attend.
Personally though, given the fame and status of Herbert von Karajan, I still believe the relevant authorities in Salzburg should also assist in maintaining the appearance of the grave.
Good to hear that he's been honoured annually by the Orchestras he so much loved..
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Post by Rosy on Sept 29, 2008 19:45:28 GMT 1
Hi Rosy! I have been away on holidays in Tasmania, away from mobile phones and computers, a very relaxing experience, I can assure you! Hi Leporello! Beautiful experience! It gives us the energy needed to tackle the usual problem. I'm happy to have been useful to you; about other issues I completely agree with you ********************** If and when you need something, we are here. Of course we are happy to share your thoughts etc.. about Maestro Herbert von karajan. Very Best Wishes, Leporello Rosy |
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Post by john on Apr 20, 2009 12:33:52 GMT 1
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Post by gp1972 on Jul 22, 2009 19:34:15 GMT 1
I was in Anif today and visited the grave. A local woman was there doing some maintenance (removing old flowers etc.) so it looks like the Maestro is being well looked after. It's a lovely village and my wife and I had a very good lunch at what I believe was Karajan's preferred local restaurant (Freisacher) before taking the Porsche for a blast up the Obersaltzberg - following in the Maestro's wheel tracks, as this was one of his favorite driving routes! Brahms 2 was on the CD player - would perhaps have preferred the Alpine symphony but it's difficult music to listen to in the car. |
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