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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 23:21:35 GMT 1
I'm aware of the following examples of EMI Fledermaus Overture, Tritsch Tratsch, and Dutchman Overture besides the "Legend":
Best Karajan 100 (4CD 2008): Trisch Tratsch "1976/1985" BPO
Les Grands Classiques (2CD 1996): Fledermaus Overture 1976 BPO; Dutchman Overture 1962, BPO
Complete (160CD 2008): Fledermaus and Dutchman as above; Tritsch Tratsch 1960 Philharmonia. According to arkivmusic this compilation is actually missing items from Karajan/EMI discography.
Karajan Collection Philharmonia Promenade (1CD 2005): Tritsch Tratsch 1960
Karajan Edition Strauss (1CD 2001): Fledermaus 1948 VPO
Wagner (1CD 2008): BPO 1974
Great Recordings of Century (1CD 2004): As above
Karajan Edition Heldenleben/Wagner (1CD 2000): As above
Karajan Collection Wagner (1CD 2005) As above
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Post by charlesb on Mar 10, 2011 23:56:42 GMT 1
Waldstein says of CDM 769 018-2 "I honestly doubt that this CD exists at all". A quick google search shows that the Annen Polka from the disc was broadcast on BBC Radio 3 in 2010 (see www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rs4r6 ). The CD is also listed on www.ne.jp/asahi/jurassic/page/mate/galway_orch/list_6.htm , a list of some of James Galway's orchestral recordings. I am not surprised if the CD is hard to find. In general most reviewers in the 1970's and 1980's preferred Karajan's DGG recordings of the works included on the CD. The 1988 Penguin Guide reviews CDM 769 018-2 and gives the CD only one star (compared with three stars for most of the DGG Strauss CDs). The review of the EMI CD says "Karajan's HMV collection from 1976 is disappointingly lethargic and indulgent. Even the two overtures, though splendidly played, are very mannered; only the Tritsch -Trasch polka really springs to life. The Annen polka is stodgily phrased and a heavy, mannered rubato adds lethargy to the two famous waltzes." You may have more luck finding a CD called "Un bal a Vienne" (CDC 7 49903 2). This includes 5 of the 6 1975 recordings. The missing item is the Die Fledermaus overture, but you already have that on Karajan - The Legend. The other recordings on "Un bal a Vienne" are with the Philharmonia. |
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Post by charlesb on Mar 11, 2011 0:15:56 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2011 23:50:23 GMT 1
Thank you also for confirming my impression that people who really love music should never read musical criticism in general (with the exception of Harold Schonberg and Bernard Shaw, of course), let alone the Penguin Guide in particular; or at least never take them seriously. "Appreciating art, unlike taking a stand for or against a cause in life, does not require a yes or no to statements...perhaps the person who wants truth and is indifferent to the presence of anything else had better turn to science or philosophy rather than to the arts... "Music has for [most people] not an aesthetic effect but an anesthetic effect...Art provides the most intense, concentrated, and sharply focussed of the experiences available to man. Because of this, art can have an enormous influence on the tenor of a person's life, more influential no doubt than any particular system of morality." -Encyclopedia Britannica article, "Philosophies of the Branches of Knowledge" (which unabashedly praises literature as the highest of art forms) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 17:31:43 GMT 1
I believe there were some Karajan recordings below 3 *** in Penguin Guide. I do remember the Nielsen 4 was downgraded ("By far the best..." in 1992 edition). It is the shortest length CD I have.
Also seem to remember a Karajan rosette recording was downgraded to ***.
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Post by lohengrin on Mar 30, 2017 16:30:32 GMT 1
I don't know if this issue has been contemplated elsewhere in this forum; I made my reaserch but found none of it. So I prefer to post in this old thread a minimal question I have about the Bach's Violin concerts BWV 1041, 1042 and 1043 (for 2 violins), the first two of which are mentioned as originally released in this 2 cds-box "Karajan - The Legend". As probably many of us already know, these three concerts were put on a single cd which is included in the DG Box "Karajan - 1960s": they form the last one of the collection, n. 82. Same cover (see pics). I think someone at DG imagined correct to put them in the 1960s box since the recordings were made in 1966 at St. Moritz (in a positive atmosphere so well described by R. Osborne in his masterly carved biography of the Maestro), and no "Karajan - The 1990s" still exists. My question is about the concert for 2 violins BWV 1043, which from DG official site seems not included in "Karajan - The Legend". In the "Karajan - 1960s" booklet, the page about the cd n. 82 not only does not mentioned this concert as never released before, but the only catalogue number of the supposed 1960s record from which the three are taken in order to be included in the 1960s collection is the one of "Karajan - The Legend" (see pic). Since I imagine the DG major "decades" collections were made with the utmost deserved attention and desire to present to the public not only a product to be sold but also a comprehensive historical source, I wish to understand: - (a) if the BWV 1043 concert was actually released in the 2 cd-box "Karajan - The Legend", which I don't own. If not, - (b1) if it was never officially released before by DGG: if so, it seems to me it is possible to conclude there is a mistake in the booklet, since it does not mention this as a never before released recording; - (b2) if it was officially released somewhere else by DGG before in the "Karajan - 1960s": in this case, it is possibile to imagine at least two mistakes: the number of catalogue missing in the booklet, plus a secondary mistake, the cover of that LP, which was not considered (of course I imagine the "Karajan - The Legend" was to be used because two concerts out of three are taken from it, but it would have been useful to reproduce it, at least in the lenghty booklet).    |
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Post by charlesb on Mar 30, 2017 22:45:51 GMT 1
The latest edition of John Hunt's Karajan discography confirms that the first release (and only release so far) of the Bach concerto for 2 violins BWV 1043 was the Karajan 1960s box.
I have the DGG Karajan Legend 2 CD set and can confirm that the concerto for 2 violins is not included in the CDs. The Bach solo violin concertos are at the start of the first CD and the remainder of CD 1 has highlights of the digital recordings of Mozart's Die Zauberflote and Bizet's Carmen. (CD 2 has Karajan's 1966 recording of Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony and the 1985 recording of Dvorak's 8th Symphony.)
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Post by lohengrin on Apr 1, 2017 19:18:27 GMT 1
The latest edition of John Hunt's Karajan discography confirms that the first release (and only release so far) of the Bach concerto for 2 violins BWV 1043 was the Karajan 1960s box. I have the DGG Karajan Legend 2 CD set and can confirm that the concerto for 2 violins is not included in the CDs. The Bach solo violin concertos are at the start of the first CD and the remainder of CD 1 has highlights of the digital recordings of Mozart's Die Zauberflote and Bizet's Carmen. (CD 2 has Karajan's 1966 recording of Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony and the 1985 recording of Dvorak's 8th Symphony.) Thank you Charles! I hope you may agree with me on the fact that a "never released before" ad (or something similar) should have been added to the "Karajan - 1960s" edition n. 82 cd back cover, or in the n. 82 cd description in the booklet. |
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Post by lee on Apr 2, 2017 13:31:43 GMT 1
The latest edition of John Hunt's Karajan discography confirms that the first release (and only release so far) of the Bach concerto for 2 violins BWV 1043 was the Karajan 1960s box. I have the DGG Karajan Legend 2 CD set and can confirm that the concerto for 2 violins is not included in the CDs. The Bach solo violin concertos are at the start of the first CD and the remainder of CD 1 has highlights of the digital recordings of Mozart's Die Zauberflote and Bizet's Carmen. (CD 2 has Karajan's 1966 recording of Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony and the 1985 recording of Dvorak's 8th Symphony.) Thank you Charles! I hope you may agree with me on the fact that a "never released before" ad (or something similar) should have been added to the "Karajan - 1960s" edition n. 82 cd back cover, or in the n. 82 cd description in the booklet. Interesting comments from Charles, as ever - I have the below in my collection. In addition to 2 CDs, one of which contained the aforementioned Bach Two Violin Concerto, there was a DVD or sundry performances (bits of Das Rheingold, I Pagliacci, Beethoven 5, Rachmaninov 2nd Piano Concerto, etc..). The contents of the CDs also included a recording of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No 5, billed as it's "first general release on CD" within the hardback book, you see below. The second CD contained interviews with Richard Osborne, plus Joachim Kaiser and Micheline Banzet, as well as a rehearsal sequence from Vivaldi's Four Seasons. All very interesting, even if my (very basic) French and German renders much of it incomprehensible ! LD Attachments:
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