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Post by charlesb on Mar 28, 2014 23:46:45 GMT 1
Karajan's EMI recordings start to be re-released on Monday, presumably to tie in with the 25th anniversary of his death.
Is anyone going to buy these sets? Most of the releases seem to contain performances that were released in the complete EMI sets a few years ago.
So far the only "new" material appears to be the first stereo release of the Philharmonia Beethoven 9th.
Although it has not been announced yet (as far as I know), I assume that Deutsche Grammophon will release "Karajan 80s" in time for the July anniversary. I wonder if they will release it as a separate box, or combine it with the 60s and 70s recordings to make a single box of the DGG orchestral and choral recordings.
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Post by philharmonie on Mar 31, 2014 23:27:24 GMT 1
Hi Charles,
I have my doubts that the DGG will release a 80 box.
According to the just released DU magazine a R. Straussbox of analog recordings will be available soon.
The you mentioned Beethoven Warner box I have since last Saturday, of course, because of the stereophonic 9 Symphony, otherwise I would not buy.
Even a German it hurts that now no EMI logo prankt on the cover.
Unfortunately, no word about this stereo tapes, I would have liked something about the sterophone 9 learn.
A lot of chatter about Herby, that this would be his best Beethoven (he would turn in his grave).
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Post by pete on Apr 12, 2014 16:44:40 GMT 1
Charles, I hope there will be an individual release of the '80s box'. If not, it would be a little unjust to all those of us who bought into the other boxes.
I will probably only be interested in the stereo offerings. I am happy to pay the £20 or so that is being asked for the Beethoven box just to hear the stereo 9th. It is a shame that EMI were late to join the stereo bandwagon when the glorious sound resulting from RCA, Decca, and (to a lesser extent) Mercury experimentation was beginning to flood the market. Overnight, it now seems, EMI became oldhat.
Warner are doing what EMI failed to do at almost every turn - remaster, and 'quantify' the remastering. All this 'Abbey Road ART' nonsense, it's as meaningless as 'OIBP'. At least, though, it is widely known that OIBP means greater than redbook bit-depths and sampling rates. The only empirical titbit I ever heard regarding 'ART' was that the upper octaves were subject to a filtering process. This may have improved the efficacy of many old vinyl-centric recordings for application to CD, but that dosn't make it a proper update in sound quality; only higher sampling, greater bit depths, and care of transfer can provide that (although it's debatable as to the extent of the audible improvements). I for one hope that the Warner remasterings will be well produced.
Philahrmonie, I'm uncertain as to whether or not there will be an '80s box' as well. I hope there will be one. The Strauss box would make sense due to the anniversary. It does not necessarily mean that there won't be an 80s box, though.
I wouldn't worry about the 'Warner logo' either. It doesn’t detract from the work of Gurlich, Legge, Glotz et al. Ultimately, when it comes to archives and back-catalogues, the ultimate lords and masters now seem to be Arvato anyway - even in the case of Universal.
Best wishes all.
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Post by charlesb on Apr 13, 2014 22:00:17 GMT 1
I hope that DGG will issue the 80s box separately as well.
However, if they are going to release anything to mark the 25th Anniversary of Karajan's death, I would expect them to announce it very soon.
Personally, I would prefer it if they released something new to mark the anniversary. It would be wonderful if they released some more live recordings. I would particularly like to have the Berg Violin Concerto with Amoyal on an official CD or the 1980 Parsifal from the Salzburg Easter Festival (although it would have to be a very good transfer to beat the Celestial Audio DVD from radio recordings). A more daring release would be to gather together recordings of Penderecki's music in Karajan's live performances.
Like you, I bought the Warner Beethoven set for the stereo 9th Symphony. I always thought that the mono mix of this was very muddy and the stereo version makes the sound much clearer. I have only heard one of the other symphonies so far (the 6th) and I don't think the latest transfer is better than the version in the 2008 box.
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Post by charlesb on Sept 16, 2014 10:05:09 GMT 1
I was reading a review of "Mozart, Schubert, Brahms, Strauss, Wagner 1951-1960 (Karajan Official Remastered Edition)" on Amazon last night and discovered that the Beethoven box is not the only one to include previously unreleased stereo mixes. The Brahms Haydn Variations and Mozart's 39th Symphony are also released in stereo for the first time.
In addition, there are two different mono versions of Mozart's 35th Symphony in the box set.
I am amazed that Warner did not make this clear on the outside of the box or on their website. People like me, who are obsessed enough to collect everything that Karajan recorded,would have bought the box immediately if we had known that it had included unreleased material.
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Post by philharmonie on Sept 19, 2014 20:13:18 GMT 1
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Post by eidos73 on Sept 14, 2016 10:16:55 GMT 1
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Post by lohengrin on Dec 9, 2016 19:38:34 GMT 1
I'm having problems with some cds within this Complete Karajan Official Remastered Edition. In particular, track n. 8 (Venusberg music) of cd n. 5 in this single 12 box set cannot be played regularly on my hi-fi system cd-player (it simply stops somewhere randomly between 8'30'' to 11'30'') nor on my computer cd-player (I hear some tick-tick, and then it stops, again at the end of the track). Amazon, at my request, has replaced the whole 101 cd Complete collection already twice, but that new very single cd has now the same problem again. I dare to ask to those of you who own this edition if they experienced the same problem when listening to that track, and in case they haven't had the opportunity to listen to it yet, to please try it and kindly report here if a similar problem ever occurs to them, too. I have to admit that I experienced similar problems with two other cds in that Collection (fourth movement of Beethoven's 7th with Philarmonia, and Strauss' Metamorphosen, first recording), but they disappeared in the new box Amazon sent me. This one still appears. And I haven't yet gone through all of the 101s. I noted that all the experienced failures in these cds were in the last track of cds filled with more than 70' of music: can this mean anything, from a technical/manufacturing point of view? My point is that I don't want a refund: I just want to own that complete collection and enjoy it without problems.  |
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Post by john on Dec 10, 2016 23:23:44 GMT 1
Hi Lohengrin
I have recently purchased this set and the Wagner piece plays ok.
I'll send you a personal message.
Best regards
John
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Post by lohengrin on Dec 12, 2016 13:28:34 GMT 1
Hi Lohengrin I have recently purchased this set and the Wagner piece plays ok. I'll send you a personal message. Best regards John Thank you John, very kind of you! I hope other members will help me out with this problem. |
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Post by charlesb on Apr 19, 2017 22:52:48 GMT 1
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Post by tjh on Apr 20, 2017 9:44:05 GMT 1
The price of an item directly from Amazon likely fluctuates depending on the available offers that other sellers post on it. (Its pricing algorithm may cover the market beyond the site itself).
Though new Karajan releases do come up from time to time, the amount of classic Karajan stock from Amazon direct has dropped considerably.
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